What troubles me most about the current debate on health care are the questions that are not being asked. The unifying theme of one side of the debate is that government involvement in health care is bad and single-payer is an evil to be opposed with every resource.
You would think that a whole host of questions would trouble those making these types of arguments.
The first question is how did other developed countries end up with single-payer as part of their health care systems and how do they outperform ours in statistical outcomes at one half to two thirds our per capita expenditure? If single-payer were such a problem, how could the European and Asian countries that use single-payer end up with health care systems that rank substantially better than our 37th in the world according to the WHO (World Health Organization,)?
Another question is how does one of the most socialist-like systems, Italy, achieve a No. 2 ranking in the WHO comparisons when we the most consumer-driven system in the world ranks so much lower? How can more consumer involvement and less government fix our problems in light of Italy’s experience?
Another question is why do systems that use private insurance companies have many of the same problems we have?
'Independent cowboys'
Our health care system is really not a system in the way that other countries of the world manage their health care. Our health care is more like a collection of independent cowboys vying for health care profits while the consumer, driven most of the time by urgent need, is at their mercy. When we call our insurance company to ask why we are being denied coverage, we are not treated like valued customers.
It is as if there is a segment of so called experts in health care completely unaware of the realities of health care systems in the rest of the world. They seem to be unaware that it isn’t just the out of control cost that is killing us but the lack coverage, lack of quality, lack of guidelines for the consumers of health care, impact of catastrophic illness or a host of other problems.
Take for example our quality issues (the US medial error rate is 5 to 9 times those in some countries). Recently a friend questioned my medical error rate data and so I gave him this explanation. Japan has a medical error rate one fifth of ours and given my experiences in Japan with GE Healthcare I explained how Japan’s low error rate is achieved.
Japan’s health care system is driven by quality methods developed in industry that uses measurement of outcomes. Hospitals and physicians try to make procedures error proof from prescribing drugs to preparation for surgery. It is only in the last five years that I have seen Six Sigma methods introduced into U.S. hospitals. Before that those of us who worked as consultants and worked to improve quality in hospitals and introduce statistical methods were met with blank stares. The typical response is that “We (the hospital) are trying to give quality care to everyone.” My answer was, “If you look at the numbers, you are failing.”
In fact, many U.S. health care institutions base strategies more on drug and equipment companies’ input than on actual outcome data. A few like Mayo that are very outcome driven suffer in our system because they don’t pile on the procedures and drugs for increased reimbursement.
Another aspect of Japanese health care is that the physician team working on a single patient in Japan is very collaborative. In the US physicians working on the same patient often only communicate through the nursing staff. This results in some really bizarre proceedings.
Last year, my father, who was 93 at the time and lives in Detroit, had some breathing difficulty in a bout with the flu. He is generally doing fairly well for someone his age and was on no medication. His heart was always considered healthy. When he was admitted to the hospital he was seen by different specialists each of whom examined him and recommended medications and more tests. After several days his breathing difficulty cleared up and he wanted to go home. Several of the specialists after prescribing medications signed release forms. Other specialists, especially the heart guy, gave orders for him to remain in the hospital and have more tests. My sister, missing work, went on several occasions to the hospital expecting to take him home and came home alone disappointed. My father was becoming really annoyed at all this, which just caused another doctor to prescribe more drugs to keep him calm.
The bottom line was that he left the hospital after about eight days, feeling lousy, taking about 15 pills a day. There had been no definitive diagnosis of any problem other than the breathing difficulty he had with the flu, which had cleared up in two days. He quit taking all the medication after he returned home and soon began feeling his old self again. But the image of all those specialists prescribing drugs and never talking to each other was more like a Keystone Cop comedy than an example of a health care system. I am convinced all the drugs prescribed with little or no concern for interaction was a major cause of many of the symptoms that seemed to come up out of nowhere during his hospitalization.
Horror stories abound
Whenever I tell this story, I hear another example just as bizarre from someone else. I’m sure that anyone who calls himself a health care expert but who doubts we are in serious trouble delivering quality health care with our high-tech and well-trained doctors is not being honest.
All the Western European and Japanese governments played a major role in the development of their health care systems, all of which work better as a system than ours. Is our government so corrupted by powerful interests that it cannot begin to address problems that European and Asian governments work effectively to solve?
Unfortunately I believe many of those arguing for less government have intimate knowledge of the answer to this question because they are employed by the powerful interests.
Joseph Geck is a businessman in Waukesha.




8 Comments
I'm glad that some progress is likely to be made on health care, but single payer would be the best solution. Thanks for laying out the facts.
"Unfortunately I believe many of those arguing for less government have intimate knowledge of the answer to this question because they are employed by the powerful interests."
That is a mighty assumption coupled with some unreliable data.
Bravo. This is one of the most insightful and right on articles I have come across on this topic.
Check it off: a) our system underperforms Italy. Italy!! b) our system is non-collaborative and redundant, c) our system is driven by profit, not performance. This is a nation that has historically shown the will and ability to fundamentally change when the need arises. Are we going to make this change? Or are we going to get fooled again? I'm reminded of GM telling us how they'd never go bankrupt. You can't paint over dry rot.
First off- I'm happy with my health care as are most Americans. See the following survey data- http://www.gallup.com/poll/102934/majority-americans-satisfied-their-own-healthcare.aspx
I understand there are people that do not have health care insurance- why not specifically address that problem instead of fiddling with the large majority of Americans that are satisfied with what we have? Why?- because the government is looking for money to fund health care for the uninsured. Which means the people that are satisfied with their health care will be put into a mediocre government system and end up paying higher taxes to cover the rest of the population.
I agree with most of the points in this editorial about quality issues in medical care and practice. But while Mr. Geck is cherry picking analogies about superior quality in Japan- how about looking at the overall quality of our government services vs. those in Japan. I'm willing to bet, the quality of government service in Japan is superior to what we have in the US. (I know their trains are better operated.) Which means just handing over health care to our government will not translate into superior health care services. Take a look at the inefficiencies of the poor quality of service of public education, the TSA, state DMV's, post office, Amtrak, and the social security administration here in the US.
I'm not very familiar with the WHO Survey but I believe in earlier discussions on the matter, it was stated that is not an unbiased survey. If our health care is so miserable here in the US why do people from other countries, including Canada, come to the US for health care? Also, why are the majority of Americans satisfied with their health care service?
Finally, as I have stated earlier postings, if the single-payer system is so good for me, why are government employees, politicians, and union employees not required to join the system? How corrupt and undemocratic can such a system be to exclude these politically-connected groups? Why would I expect the politicians that will not participate in the system to insure that it is of the highest quality, and not just another pile of tax money and government employee union campaign contributors to leech off of?
Why did the Congressional Budget Office issue a report today stating that implementing Obama's plan will "break the bank"?
I thought this was supposed to save us money?
Course those are probably a bunch of crazy right wing loonies or undercover insurance company emplyees over at the Congressional Budget Office.................
It is obvious that no one here has researched the WHO report mentioned by the esteemed Joseph Geck. The information he sites has three problems, two of which are factual and one is my opinion. First, the report assumptions, which rank America as 37th, are suspect at best as they mostly reflect political objectives see: http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf.
Secondly, the report took the data points which are suspect, according to the CATO institute Report, and last published them in the year 2000. Talk about the use of relevant up to date information. This is the same report used by Michael Moore who believes people in Cuba get better healthcare than we do.
Third, I worked in the United Nations system as a vendor with a delegates pass. The pass gave me un restricted entry to any facility at will. There I was able to engage potential new client for the comapny I worked for Mead Data Central/ Lexis Nexis. My access was during the later half of the 1980's; One of my major contacts was the Personal Administrative Assistant to the Secretary-General. While he could not be characterized in any way as being un freindly to the United States; I can say that the general atmosphere then as now was not one favorable to the United Sates of America. (IMHO)
Thanks Mr. Geck for proving that statistics can tell you what ever you want them to.Happy agenda.
The problem with the CBO estimate is that they are only looking at government costs. It seems to me if we eliminate how health care is currently done the average individual and or business will be paying less. This is how it works in other countries which has caused our share in markets to lag because our goods are higher priced due to taking on the burden of providing health care and retirement. That being said I have no doubt that the government will screw this up. They will not eliminate a large moneyed industry overnight. They are also unwilling to do the things required to reduce the costs. The costs in this country are skyrocketing for a number of reasons. The first is basic economics the market is still willing to pay more. Then we have the fact that we have a part socialized system (the old and the very poor are covered). Then there is the fact that every other country controls the price of drugs (this is why people buy from other countries). This is the one thing that I agreed with President Bush that reimportation should be banned. Then there is the fact that medical salaries are high, if they were government employees as in other countries they would be paid less. Of course there would also be a shield on malpractice, but there are less errors in these other countries in the first place. The bottom line is that the system we have now is bankrupting the nation, can it be any worse?
I'm truly surprised that anyone who has looked at the healthcare issue would still cite a report that was cast aside as meaningless and useless years ago.
We currently have a 90% solution meaning 90% are satisified with their coverage. When in business or anywhere else did it become best practice to through away a 90% solution and start over from scratch.
As to the uninsured; I agree there are some but according to factcheck.org it is not nearly the 47 million that is bandied about. By their numbers it may be 5-7 million (you need to do your own math as they only provide the numbers). Again, we need some tweaks.
As for cost, let's fix the issues of monopoly and redundancy put in place by government and continue to tweak the system from there. Evolution not revolution.