Back to normal? As soon as Washington moved to hand over billions of taxpayer dollars to the socialist tycoons of Wall Street, Wells Fargo moved to buy struggling Wachovia Bank, but was hamstrung from doing so by New York State Supreme Court Justice Charles Ramos.
Justice Ramos initiated the action, because Citigroup Inc. accused Wells Fargo of trying to cut off its earlier takeover offer of Wachovia's banking operations for $2.1 billion in a deal struck with the assistance of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
Wells Fargo & Co. had agreed to purchase Wachovia Bank for $14.8 billion.
Not more than 48 hours passed after Congress signed-off on the bailout, and already the greed in Wall Street was back in action. Now that taxpayer dollars are rolling into the heart of corporate America's financial artery, there's money to burn buying up banks and fighting in court to engage in hostile buyouts.
Is this what America's $700 billion bailout supposed to do? Subsidize corporate takeovers?
I'm not sure what chief executive officers of these big banks think is going on; they have to know that our economy is not out of the woods yet.
The short-term fix President George W. Bush and his Wall Street base asked for is no tourniquet to the revenue hemorrhaging our economy is dealing with. Like a sucking chest wound, the bleeding has yet to stop, and unless that happens our economic system is going to expire.
Our credit system is about to take a major hit if amnesty for the millions of undocumented who have taken out mortgages, car loans, credit card loans and other types of loans over the past decade is not enacted.
According to the report, "Trends in Unauthorized Immigration: Undocumented Inflow Now Trails Legal Inflow", by the Pew Hispanic Center, a Washington think tank, illegal immigrants entering the United States has slowed significantly because of the nation's struggling economy and stepped-up enforcement of immigration laws.
"The decline in job prospects in construction, service and other low-skilled jobs are communicated through extended networks of would-be movers from Mexico and Latin America," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, another Washington think tank. "It also may propel more return migration."
Indeed, return migration of many of those very undocumented people who throughout the 1990s and for the better part of this decade, secured loans to buy a home using government agencies, such as the Wisconsin housing authority, which helped to finance home loans as long as the undocumented produced identification cards issued by the Internal Revenue Service known as the Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, or ITIN.
Banks and other financial companies (most in the subprime market) targeted undocumented immigrants who were able to get help from government agencies, such as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp (FDIC). The FDIC gave the green light to many banks to do business with underserved markets regardless of the customers' immigration status.
Many researchers, including the federal government, estimate there are about 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.
The Pew report says that the average of undocumented entering the country has dropped from 800,000 to about 500,000 a year ago.
While those advocating border security see this as a good thing, on the economic side of the immigration debate, this could also mean that undocumented population with mortgages, car notes etc., are leaving the country because of the stepped-up law enforcement actions against immigrants; thus, leaving the taxpayer with paying for those bad loans.
Recently, Paul Taylor, chief economist with the National Automobile Dealers Association, said that car dealership closures shot up in September. He expects that 500 to 600 of the group's 20,770 dealerships will shut their doors this year, up from previous estimates he had of 300 to 400. Bad loans are ruining car dealerships.
No amnesty means more bailouts.
The Pew Hispanic Center released another study in September this year indicating that Latinos in the United States thought they were worse off than they were a year ago.
The nationwide survey asked over 2,000 adult Latinos how they felt about things in the United States. The survey reported that 63 percent of "Latino immigrants say that the situation of Latinos has worsened over the past year. In 2007, just 42 percent of all adult Hispanic immigrants - and just 33 percent of all Hispanic adults - said the same thing," the study reports.
This is significant because it provides us with the argument that as attacks against the immigrant community continue, our economy will continue to experience problems, and no amount of money poured into the problem will do any good as long as return migration continues by those undocumented immigrants who have loans.
Until the undocumented are given amnesty status, economic instability will get worse.
Robert Miranda is Latino community activist and editor-in-chief of the Milwaukee Spanish Journal. He also is executive director of Esperanza Unida Inc.




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article is circuitous - if they stay, we pay their loans; if they go, we pay their loans.
This has got to be THE MOST idiotic arguement I've ever heard for amnesty. So this author says we need to give amnesty to illegals or we'll need another bailout since the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) iniated by Carter and put on Steroids by Clinton that was facilitated by the FCIC gave mortgages to illegal aliens. Those complicit in that scam should be prosecuted, including the illegals. How about this instead...we seize any and all assests of illegal aliens that hold mortgages and auction their home off. During the period of assest seizure and auction process, the illegals are incarcerated until their home is auctioned off. At that point, they are deported. Never forget - illegal immigration is a crime that should be punished by incarceration then deportation.
Robert, your argument is flawed, unsupported by any of the available data and doesn't make common sense.
It appears that it's just another attempt to try to persuade the American people to reward illegal immigrants for their lawless ways. Illegal immigrants have already greatly benefited from their illegal activity. If the borders were open, then opportunities that are currently available to illegal immigrants would be greatly diminished. There would be a huge influx of immigrants, which would push down wages and make competition for their jobs fierce.
Illegal immigrants have more job opportunities at a higher pay because there are significant barriers to entry to their current job market -- it's illegal and you may be arrested and deported.
And how does the survey of Latinos that shows they feel things are worse have to do with support of amnesty? A survey of any group would likely show similar responses. We are in a recession.
To use this poll data and to say that we can save America by providing amnesty to illegals is really pushing the reality envelope. What it seems to say is that you're having trouble coming up with some valid support for amnesty.
In our neighborhood and neighborhoods across America, there has been a significant decline in the quality of our lives due to illegal immigrants. Overcrowding. Slums. Trash. Gangs. Blighted homes. Sexual assaults.
Look, I'm as opposed to illegal immigration as the next guy, but George Bush had a hands-off approach so his campaign contributing CEOs could exploit low-wage immigrants. And he needed a whole in the fence to achieve it. Count that as just one effect of our corrupt political system. Live with it, or fix it.
But today it is what it is. Immigrants have added more to the economy than they have taken away. Either extreme is bad. Total amnesty is foolish, as is total deportation. Can you imagine what would happen under the latter, where all of a sudden we had 5 million additional empty homes on the market? And you think the economy is bad now? Look at your IRAs.
I favor finishing the fence, sending the bad immigrants home, and finding a way for the good immigrants to work their way to citizenship. Joining the military is one way, volunteering for non-profit community services another, and etc.
But think about it: Neither extreme is sound!!!
Punitive, perhaps, but not sound. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.
Robert,
Illegal=Illegal. Undocumented=Illegal. Shame on the banks and car dealerships for making loans to ILLEGAL Immigrants. They're here ILLEGALLY. SHAME on the ILLEGAL immigrants for first being here ILLEGALLY, and secondly for trying to take a piece of the American pie ILLEGALLY. Have I proven my point? WHO CARES about the ILLEGAL people losing their homes and cars? They are ILLEGAL! What a stupid post. No, ILLEGAL people should not be bailed out. And yes, the decline in ILLEGAL immigration is good. The US has a legal way to enter the country. ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ILLEGAL. Why don't you understand that?
What a ridiculous assertion! Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crumbling infrastructure, diminishing resources, vanishing farm land and green space, lack of affordable housing, crime, pollution, depressed wages, increased tax burdens, the balkanization of our communities, the marginalization of American workers, taxpayers and voters, the overall decline in quality of life, are all the result of unconstrained immigration. While illegal immigration is arguably not the main cause of our economic meltdown, it is demonstrably a large part of what went wrong. Loans targeting a demographic favoring "low documentation" and "no proof of income" loans was tailor made for abuse, and doubtless a substantial number of illegal aliens took advantage of these policies.
Like it or not, too many people competing for the same limited resources is NOT sound economic, environmental, cultural or social policy.
Virtually every industrialized nation, China, Mexico, Great Britain, the European Union, has takens steps to end illegal immigration, remove illegal aliens, and to curtail legal immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, and above all other concerns, in the best interests of their native populations. It's dangerously misguided to suggest that the United States not do likewise.
As for the "hit" that some will argue faces our economy if we enforce our immigration laws, I would suggest that any such negative impact would be marginal and short lived. Certainly less so than the negative consequences of maintaining the generational costs of a massive population of illegal aliens and their dependents! As recent media reports demonstrate, attrition through enforcement is a responsible means of addressing our illegal immigration problems. Further, asset forfeiture has been a common part of our law enforcement and economic recovery policies for decades. Using asset forfeiture as a means of offsetting the costs of enforcement would doubtless act as a further disincentive for illegal aliens to violate our borders, or for those residing here to remain. One cannot argue that making loans to anyone not legally authorized to be in our country was and is bad business policy, and that any making such loans deserve to be prosecuted.
Currently, illegal imigrants incur a net cost of $10.4 billion to the government based on a 2004 cost estimate analysizing everything from health, education, food, and similar government services and accounting for the taxes paid and net affect of their income spend. That was in 2004, roughly 2,000,000 immigrants ago based on Mr. Miranda's numbers.
The net cost of amnesty is estimated, conservatively, at a net cost to government of $2.6 trillion under the same scenario.
So, even if the numbers are off a little, the cost of amnesty is far greater than any program that prevents entry and reduces the population over time.
The debate is truly moot. Even 5,000,000 homes going empty is roughly 1/5 that cost.
I appreciate a lively debate, so thank you all for your thoughts. I know this is an unpopular view. I want to make clear that amnesty is not the panacea for ending our economic crises. It is, I believe, a step towards helping our economy stabilize.
I do not agree that deporting the undocumented would do well for the economy, considering the fact that deporting 12 million people is unrealistic and would cost tens of billions of dollars to do so.
The costs for deporting the undocumented and the additional strain to our economy of foreclosures and defaulted credit loans left by them will have a devastating affect on the financial system. Yes, taxpayers will pay for this too.
Ronald Reagan legalized over 8 million undocumented people in the 1980s to avoid economic calamity. What he did not do was impose more sanctions against corporations that repeated the illegal hire of undocumented in the late 80s. The GOP lifted regulations giving US companies access to this undocumented population for labor in the early 90s.
We are paying for the greed and corruption of the deregulation leaders in Washington and Wall Street.
I'm suggesting amnesty as a means for reducing the dollar cost to us all.
FACT: In the last 22 years, over 26 million illegals, have been apprehended, crossing our Southwest Border.
FACT: Less than 1, out of 4, were estimated to have been apprehended.
Mind boggling, isn't it.
According to the U.S. Immigration Service anaother 6 million illegals in this country are visa overstays. That is, they got a visa legally in their home country, they came here to visit and then they never left.
In the last 22 years, there have been 4 million anchor babies born to illegals. Anchor babies are now being born at a rate of 350-400 thousand per year in our United States. All at our expense!!
Illegal Alien open borders activists are grasping at straws as they are running out of reasons and support by Americans for open borders, anarchy, lawlessness and thievery of everything for which Americans have worked and sacrificed, aided and abetted by LaRaza, LULAC. MALDEF and other organizations. They know Americans are becoming increasingly angry with the feces in Washington, D.C. who try to pass themselves off as representatives of the American people and the congressional open borders agenda for cheap illegal alien labor and illegal alien votes contributing to the mess we are in. There are 9.6 million unemployed Americans with thousands more losing their jobs and all we hear are these frauds called candidates and the fraud called congress looking at making life more comfortable for millions of illegal aliens by allowing them to remain in this country and consume our health care (including taxpayer subsidized chemotherapy, dialysis and organ transplants denied to U.S.citizens), welfare, education and other LIMITED resources to the tune of 400 billion dollars annually while we pay an inordinate amount in taxes to keep these institutions afloat and Americans continue losing their homes, jobs, health care and pensions.
Where are the voices of our so called elected officials who were duly elected by the American people to serve and represent them; not illegal aliens. Americans are losing jobs with many replaced by illegal aliens, H1B, H2A and H2B holders. Both candidates say illegal aliens would not be able to work so how would we support them? In one word...welfare resulting in millions of illegal aliens placed on our already strained unemployment rolls when state unemployment insurance trust funds are running out of money while supporting an increasing number of unemployed Americans. Both candidates oppose immigration raids where illegal aliens were found with stolen social security numbers and supported social security and other benefits for illegal aliens who used stolen social security numbers (a class C felony) through S-2611 (the illegal alien amnesty bill). They voted against an amendment by Senator Ensign that would have prohibited this in effect condoning and rewarding identity theft for which American citizens are imprisoned for the same offense who are separated from their families unlike illegal aliens are either released by ICE or allowed to remain with their families until their supposed court hearing. They are running for the highest office in the land but refuse to support federal immigration laws which state no jobs, welfare or any benefits. States and localities where governments have enforced federal immigration laws under the authority granted in the 1996 revision to the 1986 IRCA have experienced significant reductions in unemployment, crime and crowding in hospitals and schools.
Despite our economy on the precipice of economic disaster the following supported an amnesty pledge for illegal aliens:
Rep. Rahm Emanuel
Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez
Rep. Joe Baca
Rep. Henry A. Waxman
Rep. Silvestre Reyes
Rep. Gary Ackerman
Rep. Jose E. Serrano
Rep. Jan Schakowsky
Rep. Albio Sires
Rep. Ruben Hinojosa
Rep. Xavier Becerra
Rep. Lucile Roybal-Allard
Rep. Nydia Velazquez
Rep. John Salazar
Rep. Hilda Solis
Rep. Grace Napolitano
Rep. Raul Grijalva
Rep. Solomon Ortiz
Rep. Ed Pastor
Rep. Howard Berman
Are these so called representatives really working for the American people? Remember this in November for if we fail to act our sovereignty and way of life will cease to exist.
Based on calculations by the Heritage Foundation, and verified by studies of three other think tanks, it has been concluded that EACH illegal immigrant, costs American taxpayers, on average, $9,000 per year. EACH illegal immigrants student costs American taxpayers, between $7,000 and $12,000, JUST FOR EDUCATION. When you consider, or at least you should be doing so, that there are a likely 40-50 million illegal immigrants in our United States, the cost of illegal immigrants, PER YEAR, is staggering. 400 BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR!!! Yes, 400 BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR!!!
over 26 million illegals have been apprehended at our Southern Border in the last 22 years. The Border Patrol caught less than 1, out of 4. There are another 6 million illegals who are visa overstays. There have been an additional 4 million ANCHOR BABIES born in our country, in the last 22 years. 12 million, my *ss!!
Hello Robert Miranda
I do not understand the argument "I do not agree that deporting the undocumented would do well for the economy, considering the fact that deporting 12 million people is unrealistic and would cost tens of billions of dollars to do so."
How much would it cost to implement laws that do not allow Illegals to use ANY social services and that would include public schools? Not much just pass the laws.
How much would it cost to make it nearly impossible for Illegals to get a job in this country? It would not be difficult just look at Arizona. They implemented tough laws against employers who knowingly hire Illegals and use E-Verify to aid employers in verifying legal status and this is very accurate.
If just these two things were implemented almost all Illegals would be gone within 2 months and those who could not afford to get home on their own would be requesting help from the government to send them home.
Chris,
The laws you and others talk about have been and are in in place. The problem is companies needed cheap labor, Wall Street needed people to buy homes and Washington failed to ensure that the laws were being enforced.
These laws were overlooked by the gate keepers in Washington because there was money to be made.
The undocumented flocked to places, such as Milwaukee, and banks in the area found a new growing market. They were issued IRS identification cards (Is it not against the law to issue illegal people government ID cards?), and with these cards many undocumented people were able to go to lending institutions, such as Mitchell Bank on Milwaukee's south side.
The bank's chairman, James Maloney, saw the undocumented as a solution to the bank's declining profits. Its assets had dropped to $60 million in 1999 from $95 million in the early 1990s. They were not alone; many other banks saw opportunity with the undocumented, and an economic Olympics to attract illegal immigrants to their banks began.
The fact that undocumented immigrants didn't have a credit history was of no concern. Banks turned to utility, rent, and other forms of receipts to determine the creditworthiness of an undocumented person.
Let's not avoid the elephant in the room here folks, GREED took control of Washington and many Americans turned a blind-eye to that because money was flowing into the system from these illegal actions and law breaking government practices.
So now you advocate the idea that we steal from the undocumented people what they earned, after giving them a get out of illegal status card by our government? This is shameful.
New Study Link Illegal Immigration and Crime
October, 2008
Phoenix, Arizona: Based on 2007 criminal conviction statistics: Illegal immigrants account for 34% of the drug convictions; 44% of forgery; 96% of smuggling; 85% of false ID; 50% of crimes related to "chop shops"; 36% of kidnappings; 21% of crimes committed with weapons; 13% of aggravated assaults; 13% of robberies; 13% of stolen cars; 10% of sex crimes; 11% of murders and 20% of the felony DUI convictions in the Phoenix area.
Illegal immigrants make up 19 percent of those convicted of crimes in Maricopa County and 21 percent of those in county jails.
Illegal immigrants only make up an estimated 9 percent of the county's population.
It is estimated that each violent crime cost citizens $20,000, and each property crime cost citizens $4363 per offense.
All the more a concern is research that finds the likelihood of an illegal immigrant being incarcerated grows with longer residence in the United States and that the U.S. born children (considered citizens) of illegal immigrants are dramatically more likely to be involved in crime than their illegal immigrant parents. For instance, native born Hispanic male high school dropouts are eleven times more likely to be incarcerated than their foreign born counterparts.
Hello Robert
You never did address my questions. You made the argument that it would not be possible to deport 12 million illegals. I provided a very simple solution that would most definitely work. Correct? As far as those who knowingly aided illegals to obtain jobs, credit or anything else that should only be afforded to legal residents? They should also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It does the citizens of this country no favor to allow illegals in. They bring poverty, crime, and excessive population. Why does anybody want those things?
It would cost at least $94 billion to find, detain and remove all 12 million people believed to be staying illegally in the United States.
Julie Myers, the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, gave the figure during a hearing before a Senate committee.
However, ICE spokesman said the $94 billion did not include the cost of finding illegal immigrants, nor court costs -- dollar amounts that are largely unknowable, which would push the amount over $100 Billion easily.
This is a waste of money.
SOURCE: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/12/deportation.cost/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
As for your assertion that illegals "...bring poverty, crime, and excessive population", well, I find your comments highly offensive and without standing, you sound like Lou Dobbs when he declared that illegals brought leprosy into the country. The broad brush attack you paint against the undocumented stands without merit and sorry to say, smells of bigotry.
Look, I know many of you out there disagree with my thoughts and that's OK. We just disagree. That is the greatnees of our freedom.
Take care, Robert Miranda
Robert
You again ignored my questions put forth in a previous post. So I again will ask them here.
I do not understand the argument "I do not agree that deporting the undocumented would do well for the economy, considering the fact that deporting 12 million people is unrealistic and would cost tens of billions of dollars to do so."
How much would it cost to implement laws that do not allow Illegals to use ANY social services and that would include public schools? Not much just pass the laws.
How much would it cost to make it nearly impossible for Illegals to get a job in this country? It would not be difficult just look at Arizona. They implemented tough laws against employers who knowingly hire Illegals and use E-Verify to aid employers in verifying legal status and this is very accurate.
If just these two things were implemented almost all Illegals would be gone within 2 months and those who could not afford to get home on their own would be requesting help from the government to send them home.
I do not see how my comments are racist? Do additional people add population? Check, yes they do. And have you seen the population projections for this country with the current inflow of illegals? Something like half a billion by 2050..that would be excessive population. Are illegals commiting crimes? Check yes they are. In fact they are 3x more likely to commit crimes then citizens. On top of that the crimes they commit should not be here in the United States to begin with because they should not be here to begin with. Lastly do the rich come to this country illegally? NO only the poor. Therefore illegals bring poverty to this country. HOW is this racist it is simple fact. If you like I can site sources for you.
I laugh every time I here the racist card being played in these debates. Color the person you are debating with racist and win the argument by default. Is that the logic?
Is Mexico a racist country?
Have you read any of their constitution?
I will site some for you here.
Pursuant to Article 33, "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country." This ban applies, among other things, to participation in demonstrations and the expression of opinions in public about domestic politics like those much in evidence in Los Angeles, New York and elsewhere.
Equal employment rights are denied to immigrants, even legal ones. Article 32: "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable."
Jobs for which Mexican citizenship is considered "indispensable" include, pursuant to Article 32, bans on foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports.
Article 55 denies immigrants the right to become federal lawmakers. A Mexican congressman or senator must be "a Mexican citizen by birth." Article 91 further stipulates that immigrants may never aspire to become cabinet officers as they are required to be Mexican by birth. Article 95 says the same about Supreme Court justices.
Foreigners, to say nothing of illegal immigrants, are denied fundamental property rights. For example, Article 27 states, "Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters."
Article 11 guarantees federal protection against "undesirable aliens resident in the country." What is more, private individuals are authorized to make citizen's arrests. Article 16 states, "In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities." In other words, Mexico grants its citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution. Imagine the Minutemen exercising such a right!
Is that racist? No its Mexico looking out for its citizenship!
Could you please explain to me how implementing what I suggested to remove the illegals from this country would cost over 100 billion?
Wow, I guess most of you must be direct descendents of Native Americans. Otherwise the ones that commented on sending IA to jail could spend some time in there too. Igonarants!
Chris
I believe I've answered your questions. Because I did not state what you want to hear does not mean I did not answerer you. Case in point: Your last statement reads "Could you please explain to me how implementing what I suggested to remove the illegals from this country would cost over 100 billion?"
I provided that information to you when I said, "It would cost at least $94 billion to find, detain and remove all 12 million people believed to be staying illegally in the United States.
Julie Myers, the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, gave the figure during a hearing before a Senate committee.
However, ICE spokesman said the $94 billion did not include the cost of finding illegal immigrants, nor court costs -- dollar amounts that are largely unknowable, which would push the amount over $100 Billion easily."
Look up where they got that figure. I'm stating figures that officials of the US government have stated. I don't have time to put a budget together for you. I'll go with what the experts say.
As for all that other stuff you bring up, we have similar laws that address illegal entry into this country, enforcing them is the failure of the US government.
Blaming immigrants for the chaos to the economy is at best foolish and at worst bigotry.
Robert
This is becoming comical so I will put it into simpler terms. To remove the 12 million plus illegals from this country all that would need to be done is...Make it impossible for illegals to get a job in the USA and not allow illegals to use any public services including public schools. To do this we just need to pass and enforce the laws. Would that cost 96 billion? NO it would not! Arizona did it with great success!
Chris,
I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you. The pipe dream you argue is comical. There are no illegal people in Arizona today? Keep dreaming.
Robert